tubes for beII

[bones125]

Does anyone make a steel choke for the Black Eagle II? Any info. would be appriciated .

Thanks and good Hunting
Jim (bones125):in: :in:

[Flocknocker]

The chokes that come with the SBE2 are made for steel or lead and they are very good chokes from what I hear. Also almost all after market choke companies make chokes for steel now.


Cliff

[HighBall]

Briley, Wad Wizzard and Terror Chokes all make after market Choke tubes for The SBE II.

But, before you invest $50.00 - $100.00 each on another choke(s), you should pattern your gun with the factory Crio-Chokes choke. Now every gun will pattern different, and with different loads, but I got awesome patterns out of my SBE II. I also have two buddys that have gotten very similar results with their M-2 and another SBE II. They both picked up a Terror and Wad Wizzard to try before patterning, and both are now shooting the factory over the after market ones. The factory Crio-chokes threw a more even pattern with less flyers and you also have different choke's to mate for different shooting distances.


I took my SBE II out and patterned it with all the factory choke tubes (Crio-Chokes) to see how they worked with my Steel loads at different yardages. (All were Kent FastSteel)


Just some speck's on my SBE II

My SBE II Barrel mic'ed @ .721

My Crio-Choke's constriction after mic'ing were,

+.005" (Spreader) IIIII
-.005" (Skeet) IIII
-.015" (Light Mod.) III
-.025" (Improve Mod or light full.) II
-.035" (Full) I

After shooting a three shot group to see were the gun would patterned, I learned the gun shoots a 60/40 patter. (Which I like)

1st. shot
-.015" @ 30 Yards. 1 1/8 of 3's (1560fps) = 98% in 30" circle

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/052852.jpg


2nd. shot
-.015" @ 40 Yards. 1 1/8 of 3's (1560fps) = 81 % in 30" circle

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/052853.jpg

3rd. shot
-025" @ 40 Yards. 1 1/8 of 2's (1560fps) = 81% in 30" circle

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/052854.jpg

[HighBall]

Part 2


4th. shot

-.025" @ 40 Yards. (3.5" Shell) 1 3/8 of BB's (1550fps) = 93% in 30" circle

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/052867.jpg

5th. shot
-.025" @ 50 Yards. (3.5" Shell) 1 3/8 of BB's (1550 fps) = 68% in 30" circle

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/052855.jpg



Overall I very was impressed with the Crio-Chokes patterning. I don't see a need to look for after market chokes for this gun .

My main load and Choke I hunt with shot an 81% for ducks and 93% for geese.

[weatherby]

Thanks for the info. I think i may give that III choke a serious look before i buy any after market chokes. You said your barrel micd .721 How does that compare to the SBE1?

[HighBall]

My SBE I mic'ed .720" basically the same as my SBE II. Also my buddys M-2 and another buddys SBE II were within a thousandth or two. Now my Benelli Sport II mic'ed at .732" and has a little longer forcing cone. But, I believe thats only with the Sport II, Super Sport and the new Cordoba. I believe the Corboda is going to be a sweet hunting gun for 3''. I just wish you could get it without the barrel ported. (For Hunting)

[Mike B]

Nice patterns with factory chokes, I wish my SBEI would throw patterns like that with factory chokes.Maybe time for an upgrade.

[DUCKDIGGLER]

Hell Mikey you desreve it brother!!:uh:

[HighBall]

Nice patterns with factory chokes, I wish my SBEI would throw patterns like that with factory chokes.Maybe time for an upgrade.

My factory choke tubes for the SBE I threw poor patterns at best out of my gun. There are a lot of great choke tube manfuactors that make quality choke's now. You should bore guage your gun, them you can match to the thouandth of an inch the exact constriction your looking for. Most gunsmith will have a guage you could you without any cost. It's probably going to be between .720"-.722" I picked up a -.010" (IC), -.020''(M)& a -.025" (Light Full) from Angle Port for my SBE I. Briley also makes great chokes. It's admazing how your "Miss to Hit" and "Cripple to Kill" rate will go up with good patterns.

[bones125]

Hey guys thanks for the helpful info. I think now it's time to just save some money and do some testing. :in:



Thanks and good hunting
Jim (bones125)

[Eric VA]

Highball,
I have been following your patterning posts for a while and really appreciate your attention to detail.

What do you use for your load pellet count? Do you cut open one of the shells and count the pellets? Use published or advertised pellet counts per oz and extrapolate for different load sizes? Calculate the pellet count by using the weight of a single pellet and dividing it into the load weight? Or do you just count the # of hits from your tightest pattern w/ that load?

The pellets counts that I get for HS 1 1/2 oz #4:
HS web page - 219
Cutup shell and extrapolate - 208
Calculated from weight of pellet - 205

The best pattern I have seen out of my SX2 is at 30 yds w/ a full choke. On paper it looks like a great pattern but w/ the above load pellet counts its only 88% at best.

Any ideas/suggestions/comments?

[HighBall]

Eric,

I've found that all the charts are way off!!! You have to open up your shell and count pellets for yourself to get any sort of accuracy of total pellet numbers. Its a pain in the ass but its really the best way.

The chart I have and seen on the web were off by 10-12% (Usually More) in each one I counted. If you go by their charts your percentages are probably going to be less than they really are. Making your pattern look worse then it really is.

For example, I opened up a Kent FastSteel 1 1/8 of 2's.Here's what I got. Total pellet count= 132 (Round clean looking shot)Total pellet weight = 480.1 grains, 3.63 grains per pellet (Needed 3 more pellets to make 1 1/8oz. exactly) Average shot size= 3.84mm (3.80mm is the normal size of a number 2 steel) 4.57mm is normal for BB and the FastSteel BB was 4.60mm

Total powder weight = 36.2 grains (Just an FYI)

Some Facts.

438 grains = 1 oz.
462 grains = 1 1/16 oz.
492 grains = 1 1/8 oz.

#2 shot = 3.80mm
#1 shot = 4.06mm
# BB shot = 4.57mm


Kents FastSteel steelshot (2's) are slightly larger than the standard steel shot of size #2. The BB's were the same as well.

Basically, different shot shell manufactures who make their own shot will vary slightly from one to another. (size and weight) I found that Federal was very close to what the charts say ,while Winchester was slightly smaller by .01-.02mm , but the same weight.

Not all steel shot is the same!!!

I would use the actual number of pellets and divide it into the total number of pellets that hit in a 30" circle. Just by looking at the pattern its looks like yours should be in the 95%+. Looks too tight for that distance. (To me) I like to see more pellets covering the whole circle. You see how many are concentrated in that 20" ring. A Full choke shooting in the 90% at 30 yards is what its supposed to do. Pattern your load you shoot at the distance your usually shooting your birds at to see what its doing. You want a pattern that covers a 30" circle evenly, without many flyers, and pellets that are not concentrated in a small area together. Having too tight of a pattern is not good either. You'll miss more often and when you do hit game, it will destroy more meat then necesary.

I have a Load/Choke for hunting the River Bottoms that my shots are never more then 10-20 yards max, also a field Load/Choke were my shots are in that 20-40 yards range, and a late season refuge Load/Choke for that 40-60 yard shot. It's ok to take a little longer shot IF you have a pattern that is designed for that distance. Proper pellets size usually has the engery to kill, it's the lack of them in the kill zone that makes for cripples.

[Eric VA]

HB,
A couple more questions.

What size paper are you using? The largest paper that I have found is 32" wide. Any ideas on where you can get wider paper?

Even w/ my full choke at 30yds I am only getting 87%. You're seeing patterns in the high 90's. Why am I only seeing 181 hits of the 208 pellets...what is happening to those other 27 pellets? There are only 4 flyers on paper...are they falling short or just extreme flyers that aren't hitting paper? I put 2 sheets of paper together to see if they were going wide right/left. Even w/ 2 sheets of paper (60" wide) I was only seeing a couple more pellets on paper.

Thanks in advance!

[HighBall]

What size paper are you using? The largest paper that I have found is 32" wide. Any ideas on where you can get wider paper?

I use a 48" x 48" piece of paper. Most guys use butcher paper from a butcher shop. I got mine from a school supply store. They use this paper to make big banners for rallys and sporting events. Its kinda $$. I picked up a 48"x 200' roll for $24.99

Heres the Link (I use the 67004 stock)

http://www.pacon.com/paper_products/artKraft_rolls/spectra_artkraft_paper.php

Even w/ my full choke at 30yds I am only getting 87%. You're seeing patterns in the high 90's. Why am I only seeing 181 hits of the 208 pellets...what is happening to those other 27 pellets? There are only 4 flyers on paper...are they falling short or just extreme flyers that aren't hitting paper? I put 2 sheets of paper together to see if they were going wide right/left. Even w/ 2 sheets of paper (60" wide) I was only seeing a couple more pellets on paper.

Every gun, choke and load will pattern different. You don't have a bad pattern there. I just found a combination that works really well out of my gun. I patterned a Remmington steel load that I got very poor results out of my gun when I was testing. The best pattern I could get was in the low 70% with a tighter constriction. Now Remmington is not a bad shell, but out of my gun that combination just didn't work. If you like to have a high percentage your going to need to pattern some different shell's. You really can't be brand loyal in this game. One gun may pattern better with a shell you don't really like. (For some reason) Two identical guns and loads will pattern a little different too. My buddy shoots the Winchester shell. He got a better pattern over my Kents in his SBE II. The best way is to spend a day, with your hunting buddys patterning your guns, and every one bring a box of different box of shells. So that way it's not to expensive for you. The only thing you can do, if you relly like a particular shell, is you change to a differnt choke manufactor. There are a lot of good one out there. But I would try different combitnation of shells, before I would give up on the factory chokes. It would be my last result. It's going to get fairly expencive to get new chokes, but sometimes is the only way to get a pattern your looking for. I had to do this for my SBE I (HK). I could not get a pattern I was happy with with the older Benelli factory chokes. Now, if I could of got a 87% (Like you have) with them I would of been fairly happy. I was in the 40% -60 % range at different yardage.

[Eric VA]

HB, Thanks for all the great information!

I got a great deal on some Hevi-shot at the end of the season so I bought a bunch of it. Sounds like I've got a good pattern but if I want a GREAT pattern I am going to have to go w/ an aftermarket choke tube.

Sounds like I am going to have to get me some 48" paper.